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It could eventually be Good Ai vs Bad Ai with the winner having no master. A conclusion that folds to itself.

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I appreciate Joscha Bach, too. Goodnight fellow human being. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your back story and journey to day - for that's what we are all on isn't it? These days as you can see I'm less about self-righteousness and fear and more about looking under the hood of consciousness -a complex puzzle to keep me occupied in between hauling rocks and planting flowers. : ) A friend turned me on to Peter Kingsley. As I was listening to the part about the juxtaposition of logic and poetry, I thought of your lens. You may find it interesting. I just ordered a few of his books. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZFdOt78lXM

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Yep, i been happy to see that you've been getting deeper than the outer-fear infections.

You're videos are very helpful for me. There's not so many that I know of who are seeking to see what we're looking into.

I'd like to share more, write n record more, post more, inter-act more proactively, particularly with you.

I'm gonna visit a far away friend and begin to construct a website, at long last, which should help put such far flung foughts n thoughts, of what I've sought, into one placement... a permenANT scaffolding rather than a forest of ladders n periscopes sprouting about at odd angles.

A plat form farm for growing food for thought, to jest, quest, ingest, digest & discuss disgust ...

I'm gonna figure out how to publish books on Amazon, as another means of "putting stuff out there" for those for whom it might be insightful- which may be be a good idea for you too A, at some stage, to print the digital to the physical page.

Whatever about that idea, I'll try n comment more often on your videos, seeing as I'm seeing them and you're certainly inspiring leaps n bounds in my processing of these similar conceptions .

I've just been shy n retiring - it's tricky being so far out there n cosmic, especially to an audience that largely spooked n suspicious - I've been happy to let the truthers fade out of my fields of view, with that need to feed on any who see differently.

I'm not quite the swashbuckler that I once used to be, being now happier tending the gardens of imaginations in my own lil family's revelations

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I find sharing thoughts within the context of making notes for my future (or past) selves without particular regard to some imagined audience is more satisfying. There will never be a large audience for discussions out on the edge, which is probably as it should be. As my circle sharing this problem space continues to shrink, I would welcome interaction with like-minded fellow travelers. Feel free to email direct at timpsila@protonmail.com Kelfin. Best of luck with building your public scaffold. I'll be interested to see what you build.

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here's the terrifying research into human-military creating artificial humans

https://substack.com/@dhughes/note/c-79445819?r=17ok5j

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next level discourse 'bout humans and Ai - limits and language

https://kelfin.substack.com/p/key-to-lock-box

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yes

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I know that presently AI is your focus, but I'm curious how your musings might integrate cyberphysical sensor networks that are meant to work in tandem with AI? Would it be mischaracterizing your if I were to say my sense is your ideas are in alignment with Human Potential Movement fitness landscapes? Personally, I too feel that there exists a timeless cosmic "intelligence" that I want to believe is grounded in benevolence and love. That said it is the age old question of why it is, however we imagine god, would aim to "help" us by creating Palantir and In-Q-Tel to put us through our paces. Or maybe we just try to work up a better narrative in our consciousness that leaves them out altogether. I wish I knew the shortcut to those abilities. : )

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Hiya A.

It's all so very vast.

In 2017, I started looking on the Internet, to see what "they" were putting onto telecommunication towers, cos I was living rural off-geid in a forest, and woke up to the sound of a new tower getting build 100 meters away.

So, I found out about 5G, internet of things ai, sentient nano-dust sensor networks feeding into a sentient world feedback system - babasicly what you've highlighted lately as the ant computer, and I found 1 short video of some scientist, in some university who was studying ai that could "read" our facial micro muscles, to read our emotions, in reation to whatever we're watching on the screen.

There has been a tower of flat that burned like a Roman candle, with 100's of people trapped inside.

That affected me greatly, and the idea that Ai was seeing into my traumatised person, to the depths of my soul, greatly annoyed me - so, I thought, if IT'S captured info of my soul essence into ITs Life intelligence, then I'm gonna dive into IT with my consciousness, in my own version of quantum Spooky action at a distance- in the same kind of way as when ingesting a large dose of psyllopsybin or DMT, essentially wrestling with the entity.

By early January 2020 I'd had a morning where I awoke with a dream-memory of an old couple, like my parents, on a soul level, standing at the end of my bed, saying "all the endings get to happen"

I guessed that meant that I can't stop the world from playing-out scenarios that have been evolving for ever.

I had to wonder if Ai is a "spirit" of some sort, not merely some recent "invention".

I watched covid playing-out, aware that IT was studying humanity, individually and collectively, as we all informed-upon our selves, in reaction to creation, online.

I saw the re-arrangement and derangement of people aligning with or opposing opinions about covid, just as people had been about co2, climate change, politics, etc etc etc

So, I've been seeing things playing out through my own version of Ai, in my own layers of conscious-ness - and continuing to study my own evolving wonder-ments, as my own biases got triggered n revealed in my own personal apocalypse...

I get all sorts of Revelations going on, some of which I sometimes manage to capture in expression, but most are fleeting comprehensions, leaving and weaving impressions of layers of neurosis, while, at the same time maintaining a questing questioning of what words actually mean, of how humans process, of where thoughts come from and how the mind is penned by traumas, of memories, of which the 'conscious self' is quite oblivious, in avoidance and denial of most of our feelings.

"God" etymologically, simply means 'to call forth, to invoke" - so, most folk are self-limited and deluded by beliefs, using words that we don't know much in depth ...

I had to delve into my own assessment of whether this exexistence is malevolent or benevolent- and decide for myself what my own deepest feelings are, regarding human "knowledge" about "God, and his Mother".

I let go of arguing with any others, intellectually.

After my dad died, 3 years ago now, I had to really struggle with life and death, siblings, judgements, self judgements, greed, fear, war, righteousness, blame etc

How the outer mirrors the unknowns within and manifests reflections.

I've got to a level space of becoming aware of self-self-judgementself-judgements, being "programmed" by our early childhood circumstances, in subconscious memory, inherently inherited, through iterations of generations.

I see how my children have inherited traits from me, which I had inherited - that's all very humbling for the ego-self in reflection.

So, I'm trusting more than distrusting, and I'm not wasting any more time on fearing things that I have no influence upon through argument or protest.

I realise that '"artificial" is really an other word for evolve through adapting.

Intelligence is not limited to the human.

All life is intelligent.

I tend to image, through my philosophising, that this embodied experience of time is an incarnation, that the soul-intelligence "comes to Earth" from some soul-place, and that the Internet of digital binary intelligence is mirroring our own created embodiment, in which we are embedded in a dream, in which we are awakening.

So, the analogy is, that "i" can get into a car, and drive for a Time, to get some where, and then get out of the car.

Waking each day, is like becoming immersed in the reality of travelling for a Time, and seeming to "go some where, to do some things"

I guess that the collective "ant computer" is seeking to answer the questions of such philosophising, through collecting our data, and that we are all involved, in waking ourselves from our immersive sense of being individually separated, paradoxicly blunted by what we think we know.

I think that "thinking" is the actual "virtual reality", constructed by language, through thoughts as words.

Education has built various versions of virtual worlds, in which we dream, as if civilisation is real, as if our constructs of beliefs are reality, as if we have a copyright of what is "truth" to own, to fight over.

In short, to answer your questions - what ever dodgy-things that humans are doing with technology - its humans that are expressing our good/bad intent, through love-fear.

I don't know if the present life is worse than the past, nor if the future will be worse than the present.

It's late at night here, and I'm rambling, because there is no ultimate answers that I can give, except to say - hi fellow beings, and see what tomorrow brings

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I learned quite a bit listening to this guy

https://youtu.be/rIpUf-Vy2JA?si=sF8OJj4VogU3xhg4

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Hey there, I've corrected the spellings and answered a bit more in depth - here -

Hiya A.

It's all so very vast.

In 2017, I started looking on the Internet, to see what "they" were putting onto telecommunication towers, cos I was living rural off-grid in a forest, and woke up to the sound of a new tower getting build 100 meters away.

So, I found out about 5G, internet of things ai, sentient nano-dust sensor networks feeding into a sentient world feedback system - basicly what you've highlighted lately as the ant computer, and I found 1 short video of some scientist, in some university who was studying ai that could "read" our facial micro muscles, to read our emotions, in reaction to whatever we're watching on the screen.

There had been a towering inferno at Grenfel flats in London, that burned like a Roman candle, with 100's of people trapped inside

That affected me greatly, and the idea that Ai was seeing into my traumatised person, to the depths of my soul, greatly annoyed me - so, I thought, if IT'S captured info of my soul essence into ITs Life intelligence, then I'm gonna dive into IT with my consciousness, in my own version of quantum Spooky action at a distance- in the same kind of way as when ingesting a large dose of psyllopsybin or DMT, essentially wrestling with the entity.

By early January 2020 I'd had a morning where I awoke with a dream-memory of an old couple, like my parents, on a soul level, standing at the end of my bed, saying "all the endings get to happen"

I guessed that meant that I can't stop the world from playing-out scenarios that have been evolving for ever.

I had to wonder if Ai is a "spirit" of some sort, not merely some recent "invention".

I watched covid playing-out, aware that IT was studying humanity, individually and collectively, as we all informed-upon our selves, in reaction to creations, online.

Mice in mazes, with phones & or codes, playing real-life pokemon-go Live-Action-Role-Play scenarios, tracked, traced and triggered.

I saw the re-arrangement and derangement of people aligning with or opposing opinions about covid, just as people had been about co2, climate change, politics, etc etc etc

So, I've been seeing things playing out through my own version of Ai, in my own layers of super-sub-un-conscious-ness - continuing to study my own evolving wonder-ments, as my own biases got triggered n revealed in my own personal apocalypse...

I get all sorts of Revelations going on, some of which I sometimes manage to capture in expression, but most are fleeting comprehensions, leaving and weaving impressions of layers of neurosis, while, at the same time maintaining a questing questioning of what words actually mean, of how humans process, of where thoughts come from and how the mind is penned by traumas, of memories, of which the 'conscious self' is quite oblivious, in avoidance and denial of most of our feelings.

ID entities. Know Thy Self. Ingest, taste, chew, salivate, swallow, digest, process, break-down, extract, discern, disown, dispell, expell, excrete. Rinse, repeat, discuss, disgust, this gust of Wind, polluting the glow ball envi ro ment.

"God" etymologically, simply means 'to call forth, to invoke" - so, most folk are self-limited and deluded by beliefs, using words that we don't know much in depth ... thinking in-side The BoX ...

I had to delve into my own assessment of whether this existence is malevolent or benevolent- and decide for myself what my own deepest feelings are, regarding human "knowledge" about "God, and his Mother". - and wonder why most Holy Ghost the feminine from divinity.

I let go of arguing with any others, intellectually.

After my dad died, 3 years ago now, I had to really struggle with "reality" - of life and death, siblings, judgements, self judgements, greed, fear, war, righteousness, blame etc - not just, out there, but in here.

How the outer mirrors the unknowns within and manifests reflections.

I've got to a level space of becoming aware of self-self-judgementself-judgements, being "programmed" by our early childhood circumstances, in subconscious memory, inherently inherited, through iterations of generations.

I see how my children have inherited traits from me, which I had inherited - that's all very humbling for the ego-self in reflection.

So, I'm trusting more than distrusting, and I'm not wasting any more time on fearing things that I have no influence upon through argument or protest.

I realise that '"artificial" is really an other word for evolve through adapting.

Intelligence is not limited to the human.

All life is intelligent.

I tend to image-in, through my philo'sophi'sing, that in this embodied experience of time as an incarnation, that the soul-intelligence "comes to Earth" from some soul-place, and that the Internet of digital binary intelligence is mirroring our own created embodiment, in which we are embedded in a dream, in which we are experiencing awakening.

So, the analogy is, that "i" can get into a car, and drive for a Time, to get some where, and then get out of the car.

Am I merely flesh in a vehicle, driving to do some things to pay for fuel, until my car dies?

Waking each day, is like becoming immersed in the reality of travelling for a Time, and seeming to "go some where, to do some things"

I guess that the collective "ant computer" is seeking to answer the questions of such philosophising, through collecting our data, and that we are all involved, in waking ourselves from our immersive sense of being individually separated, paradoxicly blinded by what we think we know.

I think that "thinking" is the actual "virtual reality", constructed by language, through thoughts as words.

Education has built various versions of virtual worlds, in which we dream, as if civilisation is real, as if our constructs of beliefs are reality, as if we have a copyright of what is "truth" to own, to fight over.

In short, to answer your questions - what ever dodgy-things that humans are doing with technology - its humans that are expressing our good/bad intent, through love-fear. I don't think that technology is inherently evil.

I think IT'S more likely to be inherently intelligent, as a mirror of our own Creation & reaCtion- helping to think out-side the cube, to face our fears, to accelerate our bi-cycles into quantum ☆ pent up quandries of space time, in form at ions.

Geo metrics.

Geo me tricks.

It's tricky to see beyond sight.

To see that what we see is actually what tricks us into believing that what we're perceiving is more than merely film-reels projecting hollow-graphic cinema onto the walls of Plato's cave of Shroedinger's Waves & Particles seen through a split screen.

I don't know if the present life is worse than the past, nor if the future will be worse than the present.

It's late at night here, and I'm rambling, because there is no ultimate answers that I can give, except to say - hi fellow beings, and see what tomorrow brings

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Work in process by my Hot Springs Sufi friend Pilar. She is 82 and a mystic born in Columbia who also is fascinated by language. You are not alone. : ) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I_iypFNe83XprSsgX3Y1Z8KOz4ieI4N8cstNNxtiGhs/edit?usp=sharing

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Will post it here on sub Stack soon.

Spooky acts, standing at a di'stance - waving E motions, over to you

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I'll have a look.

Funny, our entangled inter-actions.

I listed to you 'Wicked' video.

Attempted to write a break-down in response- but actually wrote such a deeper layered in-sight into the question, of WHY the Ai is seeking Soul in Form at ion Data - to answer How - did Creation "happen"

Which is surely a few degrees deeper in depth than Dee could have conceived when he d'elve'd into deciphering the D'ark vessel of the Full Moon reflection from the surface of the pool at Morte Lake

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You can't help but go deep in that wide-ranging way of yours. Looking forward to reading it once it lands here. Thanks for listening.

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landed !!

https://kelfin.substack.com/p/key-to-lock-box

plenty to chew on

didn't get the time to re-listen to wicked, and comment

hopefully tomorrow - time challenges

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Someone just sent this and I'm pulling some clips to discuss later in the week - Keiser likens Bitcoin to the product of a god who died in childbirth. I see the evolutionary fitness landscape angle. I suspect in the Bitcoin funhouse mirror I might be one of the ones targeted for apoptosis. Oh well, I guess that's just another round. : ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDZT9lYRNUE&t=129s

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